RWB 79 Robert Stanley: UFOs Over Washington DC

RWB 79. Robert Stanley: UFOs Over Washington DC

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Robert Stanley is an author and researcher who has traveled to more than 50 countries in pursuit of modern and ancient mysteries. His books on the hidden history of UFO events in our nation’s capital are titled CLOSE ENCOUNTERS ON CAPITOL HILL and COVERT ENCOUNTERS IN WASHINGTON D.C.

He is the host of THE SALVATION REPORT, a talk show about spirituality and the supernatural. It can be found at www.RobertStanley.Substack.com.

Close Encounters on Capitol Hill: Stanley, Robert M: 9781452839332: Amazon.com: Books

Covert Encounters in Washington, D.C.: Stanley, Robert M: 9781461008460: Amazon.com: Books

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SPEAKER_02 0:03

Welcome to reality with Bruce De Torres. With me is Robert Stanley, an author and researcher who has traveled to more than 50 countries in pursuit of modern and ancient mysteries. His books on the hidden history of UFO events in our nation's capital are titled Close Encounters on Capitol Hill and Covert Encounters in Washington, D.C. He is also the host of the Salvation Report, a talk show about spirituality and the supernatural, and it can be found at Robertstanley.substack.com. Thank you very much for joining me tonight. Robert, how are you?

SPEAKER_00 0:48

I'm doing well, Mr.

SPEAKER_02 0:49

DeToris. How are you? I am excited to talk about UFOs over Washington, D.C. You are a new friend of mine. And um we talked about other things on your show, but please, yeah, you know, we're targeting about 45 minutes, maybe beginning, middle, and end. I'll ask questions, you know, in between. But if you could if you could take us from the you know from the beginning through the middle to to current events, uh, you know, current times, talk about please about UFOs over Washington freaking DC.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

Okay. Um, well, I gotta again, I'm gonna thank you publicly for uh our last or our first conversation uh was very interesting, obviously getting to know you, but you inspired me to go ahead and write a third book about the hidden history of UFOs in Washington, D.C., which I wasn't planning on doing. I actually I wasn't planning on writing any of these books.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

You really you blew my mind by talking about the sightings starting, I think you said in the 1840s.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

1850 was the first known reported sighting, what they called them airships back then, obviously. And uh the next one was 1897. Next one, I believe, was in the 40s, 1940s.

SPEAKER_02 2:08

What do you remember off the top of your head about that first one in 1850?

SPEAKER_00 2:13

That uh people were astonished, and it was not just a person, it was a group of people that uh were prominent citizens in Washington, D.C. Now understand too, again, that was a fledgling city, uh, but these were men who were willing to sign an affidavit that they all say saw something that they couldn't explain. Typically, those airship reports they would also see, and this was all across the United States back in the 1897, especially, people were seeing craft and humans. Humans. So there's been a lot of speculation that somebody was secretly doing that, but who? I mean, still they still hadn't come up with any uh definitive answer, in my opinion, of who would be doing this.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

Where where's where was the record uh in the of the 1850s sighting?

SPEAKER_00 3:02

There's okay, so there's multiple databases for UFO sightings on the internet. Um, but there's also like uh newspaper clippings, archives from uh you know, microfish and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 3:14

That's what I meant. Yeah, the evidence from that time, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:17

Yeah, yeah, it was in the newspaper because you know the people at the at the time, well, I mean, even 1952 made the newspapers uh more than I think twice that year, even though it happened way more than twice in 1952. But um, so you know, the thing is I'd already worked as an editor for a magazine prior to receiving this one email in uh May of 2005. Yeah, it was May 2005 when I first received the email, and that was from a retired CIE officer. And he he forwarded me this email from uh somebody in Washington, DC, saying, I I got pictures of these things at the Capitol. If I try to encapsulate what I'm doing, why I'm doing it in a Hollywood version, it would be uh close encounters of the third kind meets X Files. I had my own close encounters in Malibu, mostly in Malibu, but not entirely. That prompted me to investigate it privately. What in the world are these things? Who's flying them? And more importantly for me, why are you guys following me around? You know, this doesn't make any sense to me.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

And I'll tell you, you know, I'm such a history buffer, especially American history. And almost especially, especially um the mid-1800s, because Abraham Lincoln was my first kind of one of my first loves in terms of history. So I'm I I really am begging you to if lay out this this the sightings and and the you know from the first ones and kind of in chronological order, because you uh if I recall, you said starting way back then, there have been hundreds of sightings over the Capitol, Washington, D.C.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

Yeah, and if so, the first time I wrote the book, uh, it was from 1850 to 2006, there was over 200 reports that I was able to find. Of course, different decades people use different vernacular, right? Airships, UFOs, now they're calling them UAP. But there's there is this consistency to credible witnesses saying we're seeing these glowing objects moving at incredible speeds or just hovering over the tree line, sometimes uh shooting off into space, making no sound whatsoever. They're not always spherical, they could be triangular, they can be diamond-shaped, they can be some of them, one of them was huge, is actually square.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

Were those and that was way up.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

Are you describing what was seen in the 1800s? No, that was a that was more like a derigable, that's why they called them airships, but we didn't have blimps at that time like going around the country. It wasn't just DC, it was all over the United States at that time. And some of them were one, at least one of them crashed, as far as we know. So the the other thing, most people think the first UFO crash was 1947. It wasn't, it was 1941. I think it was uh Missouri. Uh, but but the bottom line is that they've been seen all over the place, including Washington. It would be weird if they were never seen in that area, considering they've seen everywhere else on the planet, right?

SPEAKER_02 6:18

So in 1850, there was a sighting, it made the news, right? It was in the newspapers.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

It was in the newspaper, yeah, because uh people were confused, they didn't understand like who was that up there flying over the city. And they oh, you know what's typical about the airships is they they had lights on them. Most people didn't have access to anything, any kind of light generators back at that point, let alone flying ships.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

Okay, so the by by saying plural, I believe you're alluding to them the late 1890s, those kind of airships. Yes. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

Yeah, and I mean there was dozens of reports then. So across the United States, not just Washington, D.C. is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

But because Washington is so, you know, it was intriguing enough for you to write two books just about the sightings over Washington, DC, and you add the factor that it is important space, it's restricted space. So it is after so there were dozens in the 1890s. When were the next ones?

SPEAKER_00 7:19

The earliest ones I I could find was in the 19, yeah, I think it was 1940 over the Pentagon. And this was this was an aerial engagement. Um of course, you know, we're this was during World War II, so of course, we had a lot of uh assets on the ground and in the air. Even though we weren't fighting anybody here in the United States, there was still a concern about that. So anything that was in the airspace was you know, that's that's when people really started paying attention. Um, and we were also developing nuclear weapons, and almost all the nuclear laboratories and facilities were had UFO visits, but and that's been well established.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

Yes, and that is a that is a very, very important history. The 1940 sighting, what kind of impact did it have on the town or in the news locally there in Washington or then around the nation?

SPEAKER_00 8:09

Not much. That wasn't that wasn't really not it didn't become an issue until 1952. And oddly enough, the guy that uh the retired CIA guy that that contacted me originally that started this whole thing, when I interviewed him, he told me he was just a child in 1950. I think he was born in 52, but but when he got into the military, he and he was starting to investigate some of these things because he was seeing them as well privately. Uh, he asked some people and they said, Oh, yeah, 52, we thought we were being invaded. And they literally had like um anti-aircraft guns and stuff that were were positioned in the city around the Pentagon, etc. in just in case.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

Because there were so many sightings, if I repeat.

SPEAKER_00 8:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they were only reported twice in the newspaper. Two or three.

SPEAKER_02 8:53

How many sightings were there?

SPEAKER_00 8:54

Over 80, from what I could find. That year. Just that one year, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Just in 52.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

Yeah, and but so here's how they would spin it, though, that it was temperature inversion layers or birds or meteorites or whatever. But that's not what's in the public record. What people were seeing and actually filming and photographing, I mean movie film as well as photographs. Uh they it's in the public record. It says that there was hundreds of people in the mall, naturally, that were taking pictures and seeing these things. So it's couldn't, and it couldn't be a lens flare. Some people try to say, Oh, that one picture of the the fleet of them flying behind the Capitol, they say, Oh no, that's a lens flare. Well, uh okay, I don't I don't think it is, but even if it was, that doesn't explain what people were seeing on radar visually, you know, trying to catch intercept with uh, you know, military jets. It just doesn't, you know, the the the whole thing is is an ongoing cover-up, but it's never really been successful, in my opinion. The if you look at it logically, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_02 9:55

Well, to talk about just that 52 that year, yeah. If I recall, I saw on YouTube uh footage that I then saw. Uh you could find it a lot on YouTube, at least years ago. YouTube is a more restricted space itself lately. Yes, it is. But people could search UFO UFOs over United States Capitol, 1952. Yeah, odds are you'll find you know that three or five or seven or eight second, or maybe maybe it's longer, right? Film clip of four, five, six spaced out, you know, it's a fleet. Yeah, yeah. Kind of moving from the viewers left to right, yeah, over the dome of the United States Capitol, and then with more research, you find it that was written up there, and then uh so that, but that's see, that was the only thing I was aware of. That's why my ears picked perked up the hundreds of sightings over Washington, DC. When did they happen? Well, it's still going on. What years did they start happening more frequently?

SPEAKER_00 11:07

52 and 57, but there was obviously things in between, and that was the deal. When I first came out with it, people were saying, Oh, well, it happened in 52, so it happened again in 2002. It's been 50 years since then, and I'm like, Um, no, you you gotta read the book, you gotta see the timeline that I created. No, it it happened infrequently and then frequently, and then you know what I'm saying? It and the the other thing is more people now with the social media they have the ability to report stuff. It doesn't mean it's always that correct, but the the the number of reports went just skyrocketed in the 21st century, isn't that? That's where we're in now, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

Yeah, and then in as they were happening with this irregular kind of frequency, uh, what has been what was the official kind of response? What was the media um dismissal of it? Then what have you found in the documents that have been released over the last, I'm gonna just say last 10 years or so? There's been a lot of uh claims, there's been a lot of uh even in accusations of miss and disinformation and psychological operations as far as what what to believe about what the government is saying. Yeah, yeah, let's start. Let's start with that first question. As they started happening more in Washington, DC, what was the kind of official response and compared to what the witnesses were saying?

SPEAKER_00 12:30

Uh it's officially nothing to see, just move along. It's not they considered it up until recently. They they were telling everybody uh there's no evidence and there's no national security threat. So just let's just move on.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

Okay, but but you can't say we have controlled airspace, restricted and prohibited airspace, and if you or I fly anything in there, we're going to be arrested or shot down. But if these other craft, whatever, whoever's piloting them, they can go in and out with impunity, that doesn't that just that's a double standard to say the least. And I I I get what they're trying to do is make themselves look like they they really are in control when they're obviously that was one of the things about 52, but okay. They would they would send the jets up, the the the craft would just disappear off the radar and visual, and then the jets would come back and then they would disappear again. It's like they were playing cat and mouse.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

The UFOs would come back, yes.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

And I I just now I can tell you they're doing this, they're moving through, they create these wormholes in the sky where they can just literally warp out, and it looks like they're disappearing, but they literally are transporting themselves to a some other location through this space warp technology.

unknown 13:47

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

So it I know it sounds like incredible, but and it would take an immense amount of energy. So for people to say, Oh, well, that's our government doing testing stuff, it's like, really? Would you test it over a civilian population like that where you're getting military scrambled, you know, to try and shoot? Truman actually ordered the shoot down, by the way. They did shoot at one of them and they knocked a piece off of it in '52. So that it that was just a drone. There's no way somebody people are not in little things like this big, okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

What do you mean it was just a drone? But you believe it was from of uh uh extraterrestrial origin or an interdimensional origin?

SPEAKER_00 14:21

I know it's I believe that they have bases here. And uh Representative Tim Burchette has uh said the same thing publicly, and he's he's been briefed on this matter, so I do think the man knows something.

SPEAKER_02 14:31

And he re recently alluded to uh the the threat of their presence, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:39

He cannot speak. That's a headline I saw. That's a headline. I know, but he cannot speak. Look, General McCaslund is missing. He left his home with nothing more than hiking boots and a 38 revolver. Why? Where is he? It's been weeks now.

SPEAKER_02 14:53

As of as of like three or four weeks, yes, right. And we'd say late right now as we're recording.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

And he's one of many people who I would consider have been uh casualties in this cover-up.

SPEAKER_02 15:06

Do you suspect him of wanting to be a whistleblower, of wanting to reveal truth? And that's why he's gone.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

Well, we don't know. We don't know, we just don't know now if what his intentions were because we can't talk to him conveniently, but obviously you don't go taking a 38 with you out uh hiking in your in your own neighborhood unless you feel like there's a threat.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

So I would say hiking implies, I mean, could be anything. Was he going off in trails where he was afraid of wildlife, or was he on a neighborhood stroll around his neighborhood? I don't know, you know.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

Yeah, I don't know either. But uh he lives in, you know, he was in New Mexico, sure he could have been, but the bottom line is he didn't take anything with him other than that. Right. So he probably did and you know, one of his colleagues just disappeared, literally vanished in the Angeles National Forest while she was hiking with somebody. The guy turned around and she was gone.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

All right, these people were were experts or working on what?

SPEAKER_00 15:58

Well, the the lady that vanished in the Angeles National Forest, she was working on uh a specific type of alloy metal, supposedly similar to, you know, for building advanced spacecraft. And McCaslund worked at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. I mean, he was a commander, so he he would have known about the bodies that were allegedly held there as well as the material.

SPEAKER_02 16:21

Right. And Wright Patterson is notorious in the literature and and working from memory. I think I have been persuaded in the past by looking at the work of Richard Dolan, by looking at the work of Steven Greer, and by the number of books I've read from time to time for the last many, many decades about this stuff, and what I know about the black budgets and the hidden budgets and the unknown expenditures and the trillions missing, you know, officially, we have to be prepared. Now, does Washington DC have greater activity of UFO activity than uh any other place in the United States?

SPEAKER_00 17:05

At certain times, like 1952 and 57. And and it didn't what didn't repeat and pers and actually exceed its that kind of level of activity until two year 2000.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

Then there was a bunch in 2000s, kind of like those other years.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

Yeah, but and but it but it continued, it continued. So something's going on there.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

At the higher rate since 2000, since the year 2000, it's been continuing at a higher rate.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

The reports are coming in, yes. So I it could have been here's the thing, it could have been, it was always that way. It just people either were didn't notice it or they didn't report it because the you know, it just logistically was was un you know impossible.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

Do you think that it's happening at a similar to a similar extent in other locations in the United States?

SPEAKER_00 17:49

Yeah, but again, I don't think people are reporting the here's the thing. I've met a lot of people in my line of work that have said to me, Oh, I yeah, I've seen things that I just never told anybody about it, but uh I guess I could tell you, since you seem to be so interested in it. Not like I'm I need to know everybody's secrets, but it even happened after the first book. I had people in Washington, DC, prominent people that didn't want me to use their name, saying, Oh, I live up on this hill overlooking Rock Creek Park. And this is what I've been seeing repeatedly from my living room window. We don't know what it is, but it's scary.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

What's what's uh uh a really astounding uh story that you heard along these lines?

SPEAKER_00 18:31

The the sightings on the national mall for the celebration, the millennial celebration, that report though, there were two reports from two different people that blew my mind. If it really happened like that, where the helicopters were chasing UFOs and they were swooping over the crowd, and you know, I mean, just either that or people were hallucinating completely.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

I I I don't know for sure, but it just Millennial Celebration, was it around the New Year turning into TV?

SPEAKER_00 18:57

It was New Year's Eve, yeah. Celebration when going from uh 1999 into 2000.

SPEAKER_02 19:02

The proverbial Y2K that we were the whole country and the whole world was concerned about.

SPEAKER_00 19:08

Well, apparently not the people in Washington, DC. They were having a big huge party at the mall. I mean, the hundreds hundreds of thousands of people, and it was a big concerts and all that thing.

SPEAKER_02 19:17

So what do you make of uh the government's so-called uh not disclosure, but just the information that's come out, I think since 2015, maybe as early as 2005, with some Navy footage. What's your impression of the tic-tacks? Yeah, what are they up to in the last 10 to 20 years and how trustworthy is any of the of that?

SPEAKER_00 19:44

Um, people on the inside have claimed that that's our technology and that they are testing it with our troops in a safe situation just to see if it I know, which is kind of nuts. You just for me even to say that, allegedly. Okay. Do we have some of that stuff? Yes, it's reverse engineered, and uh, you know, let's just say it's a gift of the gods. And that's that's nothing new if you read the book of Enoch. They gave us technology, weapons, whatever, back in the day. I mean, this is the way it's been described to me, even about Roswell.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

You know, right, and for those new to this topic, reverse engineered alludes generally to uh humanity retrieving correct UFOs, maybe even shot down, and and reverse engineering the technology to develop metals or capabilities.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

Semiconductors, fiber optics, you name it, allegedly.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

Right, right. And the most the most urgent thing in these times, I feel, Robert, is the likelihood, one could almost bet, that authority, the government, the military, a president is going to tell us that the aliens are a huge threat. There is a lot of literature and testimony telling us to be prepared for that. And most of that reporting and speculation and analysis by people who really spend their lives looking at this to understand it, the majority impression, in my impression, is that it more than likely will be a hoax. It'll be a hoax scare to what? Justify not only the continuation of the national emergencies that justify our military-industrial complex, uh, but ballooning it even to the loss even of more of our civil rights. And if they really s blow something up and blame it on aliens, they'll declare a state of war. And once you're under martial law, then we are ruled and regulated and rationed to the point of slavery. And there's a lot that indicates that's the concern. Is the technology that we've already seen tested of what drones and arrangements of thousands of drones with different lights can make images and look like you know 3D giant figures dancing in the clouds and in the sky. And then also with holographic technology, the holograms, the 3D images that can be projected. And we've been warned by someone no less notable in this field than former Nazi rocket scientist who we brought over here to help with our space program, Warner von Braun, who told his assistant, according to her own testimony, one can find on YouTube. Yeah, Carol Rosen. Don't forget, thank you. Don't forget, after the Cold War and communism fails, radical Islam's gonna be the enemy. And the last card they're gonna play is the alien invasion threat. And don't forget, it's all a lie.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

Well, what do you can you talk about? What do you think or know or worry about all that Robert?

SPEAKER_00 23:09

So, yeah, the the are you talking about Operation or Project Bluebeam? That's right.

SPEAKER_02 23:14

That's yeah, that's a lot of the documentation that researchers have ferretted out that that's the what they're rehearsing or developing. Yeah, supposedly.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

But once you once you launch that, it's going to be very hard to sustain because there's so many people now, citizen journalists, that uh get that they could blow a hole in it just like they're doing with NASA's all their fake launches and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

Well, you could say the same about COVID, but there's such a huge swath of the population to believe the official story of everything, Robert.

SPEAKER_00 23:41

Yep. Okay, so the goal is what Reagan had said when he was president, more than once he said yes, it this would unify everybody on the planet towards a common end.

SPEAKER_02 23:49

I often wonder how quickly we would unite if there was an off-planet threat. Yeah, but he had dreams of such unity.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

Yeah, but he'd also had two allegedly two encounters with UFOs when he was uh governor of California. And I'm sure when he got to be president, he he he was briefed a little bit more. Um, so it's it's possible that they have cooked up a plan, but it's also possible that we are being visited, andor there are certain groups that are literally based here, stationed here for whatever reason or reasons. It seems like these are they're it's not homogenous, there's a lot of different agendas that are playing out.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

Have you personally have you looked into those claims and the so-called evidence for the idea that there are alien or extraterrestrial or interdimensional presences here on the planet? Because I've bumped into that in countless books. Yeah, I've never gone the next step looking at the sources to evaluate that impression for myself. Have you done that to the sources of or the witnesses, whatever might be, the the first hand sources or evidence that that uh creates that impression?

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Uh it's usually biblical and or other books, ancient texts talk about these beings being coming in and out of our reality. I mean, you can even say that about God is extra-dimensional.

SPEAKER_02 25:18

Well, what when people read both of your books, what's what's the major takeaway they've told you they get or that you want them to get?

SPEAKER_00 25:28

Uh, that Washington, DC, uh also known as the District of Criminals, is corrupt. And we can't, they've been lying to us about obviously about a lot of things, but especially when it comes to this, it's allegedly this is the top above nuclear whatever. It's the this was the top secret stuff, and that's why they've had to, they felt it was necessary uh to the unjustify the means to eliminate people if they have to. Um, and like I told you when we first met, I they sent military helicopters to my home on two occasions to I assume to intimidate me. They could have just called me on the phone and said, hey, you know, you you know, stop. But I I I didn't, so and they didn't. So it's it's just this ongoing battle.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

Yeah, and uh so in light of that, you know, when I have seen over the last 10 years with government witnesses, uh there's there have been you know kind of popular congressional hearings about what does the government really know. And I do smell a rat when any one of them talks about the threat, you know, it's a threat assessment to justify for crying out loud a brand new branch of the military under President Trump, his first term, I believe, Space Force. Whoever, you know, studies the Cold War and comprehends what the thinking of uh John F. Kennedy was in the early 1960s, how urgent it was to negotiate and create friendly relations with all the nations in the world, because back then there were three, four, five nations that had nuclear weapons, and he worked overtime to try to create the the treaties and the conversations that could control testing to control and prevent new nations from getting nuclear weapons. And also, we haven't heard this in 60 years, Kennedy was talking about general and complete disarmament, and he was bringing the whole world into nodding their heads and agreeing, yes, it would be nice to so limit the spread of nuclear weapons and create such strong treaties of trade and balance between us that we could actually start talking about the reduction and of an elimination of nuclear weapons. Because after they took out Kennedy, you fast forward to today, Robert. We are on the knife's edge of stupidity or just evilness starting a nuclear exchange that could easily wipe out a third, a half, three-quarters of habitable Earth. And so this is as urgent as it gets, and the UFO thing is a is a cover for a lot of secrecy, for much of it could be true or false. Um, it's it's breathtaking in its implications.

SPEAKER_00 28:35

Yeah, so a lot of the uh aerospace technology that the uh shadow government has developed, they prefer to that people uh leave it unidentified. So this actually works to their benefit, was one of the psychological warfare aspects that they were incorporating in society. They they were encouraging people to think of all this everything was a UFO, it's got to be for somewhere else. We can't be we can't be making that stuff. Uh well, yes, we can actually. And so we get back to General McCaslin the day after he disappeared, we attacked Iran. Now you could say, well, that's that's there's no correlation there. Really? How do you know? How do you know? Because before he disappeared, President Trump was saying, We're gonna, you know, we're I'm gonna release these files in July. Well, he released most of the JFK files. Why wouldn't he release some of the uh actual information that the government's withholding from the public? Yes, he said he was gonna do it in July.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

So then the general goes missing, and then he starts the war in a rain.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Next day. So it maybe not maybe not just to me though, um, um it gets my attention. It's like, wow, this guy obviously was on the inside. And here's what one of the guys that I interviewed at length, I got to know him really well, uh, retired army uh sergeant major, command sergeant major Robert Dean, and he said that there was um half of the group in in in deep state was all about they wanted to disclose what was going on, our relationship with these various races of extraterrestrials, extra or whatever if they're from. And of course, on the other side, they don't want anything coming out. They and they'll do anything to keep that secret because apparently they're getting something out of it. You know, so it's it's a really bad situation.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

It's it's intense now. You know, just to talk personally for a few minutes.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 30:33

When I was in the seventh grade, I saw a UFO, and my brother also we went to the front door because he saw something funny out there through the window.

unknown 30:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

Stood at our front door, and our house was on a little bit of a hill, and this thing was floating on the street right at the end of the driveway, but it was floating like eye-level because we're up on a hill. Yeah, it was as big as a car, it was silent, it had twirling lights on it. And my brother yelled, Dad, Dad! And then the thing went straight away from us after my brother yelled. And for a good 90 seconds or minute, we watched it go to the horizon, we watched it go along the horizon all the way to the left, and just when it was going to go out of sight behind these houses on our street, it came back. We watched it go along the horizon and it went that way and then it disappeared. I bet I told you this when I was on your show a couple of weeks ago. No, you didn't mention it. Oh my gosh, we went crazy, we drew all these pictures. It was wonderful. The very next day, I was the next day was a Saturday. I was in rehearsal for a musical in seventh grade. I was an actor, little Abner, as a matter of fact. And on a lunch break, we're in the cafeteria, we're all eating to make conversation. I said, I saw a UFO last night. And Jimmy, I won't say his last name, I don't know why. Yeah, said, I saw one too. I quickly drew mine. He said that was it. He said it was hovering over the trees in his backyard for 20, 25 minutes. And because he told me how dark the sky was, I figured it was after it went in that direction, and he lived up in my town in my town. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bunch of people saw it. Dogs were barking, kids were crying. I've been using these exact words to describe this thing since 1974 when it happened. Okay. Someone called the police, described it. The police said it's a weather balloon hung up. He said it was making it making a low humming sound the whole time. And then finally, it just went straight up into the sky until it did they couldn't see it anymore. That has led me through the years when I want to make conversation. Ever see a UFO or know anyone who has? Robert, one out of three, sometimes it seems like one out of two, like half the people I asked say sure, yes, or I didn't, but my brother did, or my sister did, or my wife did, or my father did, or my son did. It's ubiquitous, it really is.

SPEAKER_00 32:55

And it which I think it it I indicates to me, anyway, that they're not just visiting, they're here, they're everywhere, and they throughout history. Uh, by the way, since you brand it up, most of the time that they're silent is because it's beyond our range of hearing, the the frequency of the propulsion system, and it is a propulsion system, but it's just it's called uh field propulsion. That's why the craft glow like that all the way around, whatever shape it is. You see, there's an ionization of the air. Maybe that's why dogs are barking. Maybe they can hear something we can't. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 33:26

But I heard I think it was Stephen Greer who said half or two-thirds of all sightings might be man-made reverse-engineered things. Oh, he's got that backwards.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Uh, but anyway, it doesn't matter. Yeah, because most of the look at I I look at thousands of reports, especially now again, that I'm doing the third book, having to re-read all that stuff. Uh, that's not what people are seeing, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

Um but maybe a third of it you think could be man-made.

SPEAKER_00 33:53

Yeah, well, we don't we can't quantify it for sure, okay? But I but for for people like Mr. Greer, Dr. Greer, whatever, he he tends to be very bombastic in the way he puts things out. So he's very certain about himself, he wants to be large and in charge. And um, at the end of the day, he's just another plebe, in my opinion. Uh, sorry, but that just he doesn't strike me as anybody of any significance in this.

SPEAKER_02 34:17

Um his whole project for 30 years, I believe, had some initial funding or backing from a Rockefeller. Should every Rockefeller be held in suspicion because they're named Rockefeller? Bruce says yes.

SPEAKER_00 34:31

Yeah, and then that's he brought the Clintons in and they were buddy buddies. And it just the the whole thing to me is very incestuous and unbelievable in the sense that it's probably not true. And look, his biggest the the my biggest complaint with him is when he says, um, they're all benevolent and we're the bad guys. Uh no, historically that's not how it goes. I guess he's never heard of fallen angels, he doesn't understand the backstory, and so you know.

SPEAKER_02 34:57

So well, not everyone accepts that bent to it. Let's just pin that for a second because we're talking about Steven Greer, Dr. Stephen Greer, his disclosure project. Anyone wants to look it up, you should. Or his serious project, S-I-R-I-U-S. And particularly, he's got tons of content webinars, seminars, zoom interviews, documentaries, easily found to see what he's talking about. And it's deep, it's huge. His his close encounters are the fifth kind, his experiences uh you can go in the desert to try to summon things. But of all of you to be interested in this guy, and he really is worth looking at, his material is really worth looking at, I would say the to start with the video of the 2001 press event at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. in 2001, like the spring or early summer. It was like two or three or four hours long, and up on the panel, up on the table in front of the room, there were a dozen or two various experienced people, former military, former pilots, former intelligence, who one by one went to the microphone at the center and for ten in five, ten, or fifteen minutes told what they knew, or retired, or they were so many years outside of their nondisclosure shut your mouth orders that they were able to tell these truly impressive personal stories of encounters with wreckage, with retrieved bodies, with bodies that died in the hospital and with things in the air. And all of them said at the end of their talk, I would be willing to testify to Congress if subpoenaed. And then they sat down. You cannot think that they're all lying. You can't. Then then you have a nice life. What do you do after imagining what if uh what if that's true? What if half of it was true? If one third of it was true, what the heck's going on?

SPEAKER_00 37:01

But they didn't offer up the complete solution to this, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

Isn't isn't 80% of the solution encouraging folks to look at this stuff for themselves and make up their own minds? Yeah, but what's the most effective thing you and I can do? Well, we're having this conversation. That's right, you know, right. It's exactly, and it's to encourage more and more regular people to look into it and do something about it.

SPEAKER_00 37:25

Okay, but before we go, there's the there's the flip side of this equation, which is the whoever these people are that are here visiting or living here among us, they do not want to have a public dialogue with us. They could have done it, they haven't. And until they come forward, it doesn't matter what we're told by so-called officials, they should the the officials we know that have been lying to us for decades are uh not credible, and and they cannot really speak for these different eight groups and their their agendas.

SPEAKER_02 37:56

Doesn't it logically follow that even that would be helped or encouraged if a greater percentage of Americans were taught were talking about this and leaning on our representatives and leaning on the media to talk about it because even an alien intelligence, for whatever reason they're hiding or they don't need to make themselves known or engage with us, it couldn't hurt showing receptivity and an open mind.

SPEAKER_00 38:24

Oh, I agree with that, sure.

SPEAKER_02 38:26

Show up if you're here, if you're hiding in the closet, come out, it's safe. I know you're there.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

So the bottom line is though that that we can't guarantee their safety if they're considered to be um persona nagrata, they just they're not welcome by our governments to come here because the governments, my understanding, feel that this would be a threat to their power structure to have someone come in that would let's just say be more advanced, possibly more peaceful, more equitable. And you whatever.

SPEAKER_02 38:58

If demonic or evil spirits or Satan or anybody um feeds on fear, I and I've I mentioned this in my book. If love is the light that protects us and also banishes and dispels them, and it gives them nothing to feed on, having a loving relationship to the empty room, the empty apartment, the empty house that you are that we all spend most of our lives in, and an open heart to the benevolence of God, the presence of God, the presence of angels, the presence of our dearly departed loved ones who surround us as so many traditions and mediums and near-death experiences imply. That's the the safety and the security is to be a to be a be a welcoming presence to love. I want love to flow through me. I want to be, I don't want to obstruct the divine reality, our eternal nature, or God with a capital G. Summon love, be only love, and intend only love and give only love. I agree. Well said. You'll have a lot of love and you'll have all the divine protection possible. What do you want people to take away from this conversation to think about UFOs over Washington, DC, UFOs as a reality on planet Earth? What is what do you what do you have to say?

SPEAKER_00 40:24

Uh, we got to stop calling them unidentified and have a relationship with them, as you were saying before, preferably that is a loving, honest in exchange, an intellectual exchange of ideas and commerce and whatever else they got going on, because they're obviously here. And keep and if we keep telling ourselves or letting the government telling us that it's it hasn't zero identity, it's something foreign, and we when in fact they're extended family.

SPEAKER_02 40:51

Okay, they really are. All right. Tell me your Substack address again and the titles of your two books.

SPEAKER_00 40:56

Uh okay. Robert Stanley.substack.com, the two books. Actually, the first article at the top, you can handle the truth. Click on that, and that'll give you the uh free PDFs of my both of my books. Uh covert Close Encounters on Capitol Hill, Covert Encounters in Washington, DC. Hopefully, the third one, thanks to you in part, will be out this year. Wow. And so we'll see what happens.

SPEAKER_02 41:19

But the second thing you got into was the describing how our government describes them as an adversary, yes, right there. Doesn't that indict them as trying to pull a fast one on us by putting another because if you present me with another enemy, you military industrial complex, I know you want more of my tax dollars, I know you want to scare me and shut me down and lock me down in fear, and I know you want to justify creating more weapons and finding more people to attack and kill. Robert, true or false?

SPEAKER_00 41:56

Yeah, true, but it's divide and conquer. That's that's the real methodology that they're using is to break us apart. Like I said, we're we are one family. It's just that we don't we can't see it right now because we've been so hoodwinked. It's called psychological warfare.

SPEAKER_02 42:12

Well, well, thank you. Let me ask you this because what you just said implies and walks right into one of my favorite ideas, yeah, is that reality is a seamless one. Call it love, call it God, call it energy, call it consciousness. Yeah, there is no other, and anyone right, anyone who talks about an other is playing you, they want to divide you into thinking, follow me, vote for me, give me your tax dollars, yeah, give me your firstborn, give me your best crops and your sons and your horses and your mules and your beautiful daughters, and I'll protect you from them. Yes, it is the bane of our existence, it's it's the curse on our race, and it's the Han job to wake up from as as adults who take responsibility for loving everyone and everything about this seamless one thing called life.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

Agreed. Well, thank you so much. This has been a very interesting conversation, and uh um please keep up with the good work.

SPEAKER_02 43:23

Thank you. Don't go anywhere after I kill the recording, but I want to thank you so much very much. Robert Stanley dot substack.com and thank everybody for watching and listening today.