RWB 83 Ana Descalzo: Cuba Before and Since the Revolution

RWB 83 Ana Descalzo: Cuba Before and Since the Revolution

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Ana Descalzo was a little girl in Cuba in 1959 when Castro came to power. Her father, Octavio, a journalist, was arrested for telling too much truth. A friend who worked in the prison told him, “You have to go. Because next time, I may not be here and that might be it for you. So if I let you go, promise me that you’ll leave the island.” Knowing there would be a next time, Octavio told his family, “We have to go to America.” Other well-placed friends helped the family leave within days, in late December 1959.

Ana and her family have remained in touch with family and friends in Cuba their whole lives.

The communists took everything. Freedom. Culture. Christmas. People continue to risk their lives and die on the water trying to get to America. Cuba exports slaves; doctors, for instance, well trained, exchanged with other countries “for God knows what.”

Cuba lets some people leave now and then. During the 1980 “Mariel boatlift” (April to October), 125,000 were allowed to leave due to massive unrest caused by economic hardship. Americans were allowed to go get a number of family members, but they had to bring over ten people who had been in jail or lunatics from mental asylums.

“Wet foot, dry foot” was launched by the Kennedy Administration. If you managed to get to America, you were granted asylum. Obama stopped that. Then Biden let many come here. Now Trump has stopped most if not all legal pathways for Cubans to come to America.

Ana and I are second cousins.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:03

Welcome to Reality with Bruce Totores. With me is my second cousin, Anna Descalzo. And it is so great to talk to you tonight, Anna. How are you?

SPEAKER_02 0:15

It's wonderful to speak to you too, Bruce. I'm doing good. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 0:19

I want to capture, as you know, stories or thoughts and opinions about Cuba. You were a little girl in Cuba when your family had to basically escape after the new Castro regime came in. And uh he came in in 59. I I think you left in 59, but here's what here's what I uh before we're done, it'd be great to hear that, but I wanna I wanted to start with this question, Anna. What is your is your bottom line from the heart opinion about what has happened to Cuba under the communists?

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Well, the communists have have made thousands, millions of dollars on exporting human beings. They um have sent doctors all over the Caribbean. They have sent doctors to Africa. Um that's what they that's what they export. People know Cuba for cigars and rum. However, what they don't know is that they are slave traders. And they send these doctors, very young, very well-educated people. Uh the Cuban doctors are known to be very smart, but that's what they do. And under the Cuban regime, all it has done is stifle people, made people terrified, um, made people marry people that they don't love, they don't care for, they don't respect, just to get the hell out of there. Uh they've destroyed everything, all of the most beautiful buildings made by the Spaniards. They've destroyed the culture, they destroyed the religion. Uh, the only religion that flourishes is the African religion that is based on voodoo and black magic and stuff like that. Most of the priests have been expelled and out of the out of the island, just a handful remain. Uh, there was a Benedictine monk that had their monastery, that's closed. They've they've made sure to get rid of all of anything that's cultural. The um the children know nothing about this life until the uh internet came into Cuba. Then the majority of the people saw, well, it's not so bad in the United States, you know, it's not so bad. People celebrate birthdays, they celebrate Christmas. Christmas was taboo. Taboo. You were not allowed to celebrate Christmas, not allowed to say Merry Christmas, not allowed to do anything associated with the birth of Jesus, nothing. So now they've gotten a little glimpse into that. And the young people are rebelling and they're getting sick of living this life that exists only within that island. And the only way out of there is jumping in the ocean and being tilled and eaten by sharks or God knows what, or becoming a doctor and making $20 or $30 a month and being exported to Grenada or some island that has a treaty with Cuba because they send them doctors and then they send Cuba God knows what money, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 3:56

Okay. Um and you know all that. I have the impression, I've never asked you this, I have, but I have the impression you're in touch with people there and have been every year of your life in America, right?

SPEAKER_02 4:10

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

Who were you in touch with?

SPEAKER_02 4:13

Well, uh, my husband's family remained in Cuba, a small slither of them, and my mother's family remained in Cuba. Of course, now we're talking about the people that remained. They had several opportunities to get out. They had the freedom flights of 1965, they had the Marielle boat lift in 1980, that a lot of Cubans fled, and the majority of the jails was the ones that the government gave the United States. If you went to pick up a two or three family members, you had to take 10 people that had been in jail to take those two or three family members. But that's that's the agreement that they made. And I speak to cousins all the time of my husband, Rudy. And but remember, some of those people that remained, they were part of the government. They liked it. Now nobody likes it. Not even those people that they believed in that system, they trusted that system. Not even those people even believe in that system anymore.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Quick question about the Marial boat lift. That how long did that last? How long were people coming over under that project?

SPEAKER_02 5:38

Well, I remember it vividly because I got married on May 17th, 1980. That day, um, I remember because my mother-in-law left for Cuba. She she left on a boat at the port of Miami. She took some fisherman's boat, and she went to the port of Marielle to pick up her mother or her sister or her brother-in-law, just family. She picked up like seven or eight people. We were like terrified she wasn't going to get here for the wedding, and but she did arrive. She brought all of her family, cost her $10,000. She took cash on that boat, and she just went with the clothes on her back and $10,000 to go and pick up her family. And then, of course, she brought 10 or 15 people that had been in jail along with them. And yeah, because that's that's the that they only let you have them.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

Right.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

You took the people in jail. We were flooded here in Miami. Flooded.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

And before we dive into that more, if we do, now thank you. We just set the table, and now I would like you to describe you know life in Cuba before you had to leave and why you had to leave.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

Right. Well, I was three years old when we left Cuba, December 28th, 1959. It was a great life. I just remember my toys, my friends. Every afternoon, I had a I had a Nana. She would take me to the park, dress me up, and you know, all of my beautiful little dresses. And I remember life was lovely. Mommy, mom and dad were happy. Uh, we, you know, we had an old Buick, a 67, uh 57 Buick, I think it was. But that December, things sort of shifted.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

Well, up until then, what what did your father do?

SPEAKER_02 7:50

Dad was a journalist. He had a magazine, and he had a lot of good connections, always did, always, always had good connections at the port of Havana. And he worked in um, they called it La Lonja del Comercio, which was the journal, the the commerce area of the port of of Havana.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

He wasn't well, he didn't work for the government in any way, shape, or not. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 8:20

No, but he knew Batista personally. Batista sent Christmas cards up until the day he passed away to my house.

SPEAKER_00 8:28

Right, and for those who don't know, that was the president at the time.

SPEAKER_02 8:31

Correct. He had built a school for orphan boys and girls, and it was you didn't have to pay anything. You could just send your son or daughter, but it had to come from a recommendation of someone in the military. Daddy's uncle was in the military. He recommended him because my grandfather passed away when daddy was like 10 years old. So, therefore, this was a way for him to get this um military academy that would feed them, clothe them, teach them, and it was a just a wonderful experience for him. And that's where he went to school, that's where he met Batista, that's where he met Batista's son. And then, of course, my father was the kind of person that sort of got to know people and got and got close to them. And that's where he got his job as a journalist. And when we had to flee Cuba, he had made friends with US, I would say, like ambassadors that were in Cuba, and he approached one that was a good friend of his and told him, I gotta get out of here. I gotta take my wife, my children, my mother out of here.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Why suddenly why suddenly in December did he want to do that?

SPEAKER_02 9:53

He was they were took him to jail because he was writing the truth about what was going on in Cuba, about the revolutionaries, about what was happening. And he had to take at that time they would print the magazine on, I guess it was like these iron uh plates. He left, he dug holes and left them inside the ground because he didn't want them to see that, because that would then be evidence against him of what right.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

And by December 59th, you Castro had come into Havana and Batista left on January 1st. And I just looked this up. Uh Castro became, I think, prime minister or premier in February. Officially, he was sworn into power. So then by December, obviously the government was squeezing honest journalists like your dad to the extent where he he got arrested and then got released.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Well, he knew he daddy knew everybody. He he knew people, he had connections. And the this was this was you know how he got away. He had connections. And the guy at the prison said to him, Hey Capote, because that's what everybody called him, Capote, hey Capote, um, you have to leave. You have to go because next time I may not be here, and that might be it for you. And he said, So if I let you go, promise me you'll leave the island.

SPEAKER_00 11:25

Well, what basically the next time you get arrested, I may not be here to prevent you.

SPEAKER_02 11:29

You may not be here, and yeah, they may kill you.

SPEAKER_00 11:32

Right, or they may keep you or kill you or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 11:34

That's it, that's it. And so Daddy went straight down to his other connection at the port of Havana and said, I gotta go. And he told him, Bring me the pictures of your wife, your children, your mother, and you, and I will take care of it. And we had green cards, and then it was the most horrific thing that could happen to a little three-year-old girl that had no clue why we were being uprooted, and and then our car looked like the Beverly Hillbilly's car, you know, just stuff piled and piled and piled on top. And then, and then I'm like, oh my god, I was so sad. And I said, I'm not going. And and Daddy goes, Yes, you are, yes, you are. No, I'm not. What and then he goes, What can I do to make you go? And I said, Okay, I want my my my um my rocker because I had a little rocker that had a music box when I would go back and forth. So he put that rocker on top of the roof, tied it up, and off we went. And we took that trip, and I'll never forget it, Bruce. It was horrible. We were in the ferry, and I remember the only person that did not get sick was my brother, and he was walking with like a tray of soups, bringing it to me and mom and dad, and we were like fainting. It could you imagine getting on that street in a raft? I mean, I it's and and people do it all the time, all the time, and they lose their lives trying to cross that strait because it's where the Atlantic meets the Gulf.

SPEAKER_01 13:17

Rough, super rough, super rough, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:21

But yeah, but that was my father, thank God he had the connections he had.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

When he how uh as you experienced it, was it in one day? Did you have to pack up and leave within the same day?

SPEAKER_02 13:37

Yes, it was it was he took the pictures, we got the green cards, he told everybody we're leaving, and then all of our friends came to the port to say goodbye. And I was like, What's why are we going? And then it was devastating, it was devastating, and and then of course, daddy told mom, don't take any money, I don't want to be stopped. You can't take money, and but of course, mom took money, she hid it in the talcum powder thing, and she stuck it in the talcum powder because we would have had nothing, nothing, but he was afraid to be stopped and you know turned back.

SPEAKER_00 14:20

I just I just have to say, because I just love first of all, talking about your father, you know. So his name comes to mind, Octavio. I have a memory of meeting him when I was very little, and your father was the brother of my grandfather. You and my mother were cousins.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 14:37

And uh so I just want to I want to put that on the record here. So what comes next that you want to teach about how brutal or or the or the the real history of how Castro came to power? Is there anything about that? Because we've I've heard that from you in in the random conversations we've had over the years. So what would you tell me next?

SPEAKER_02 15:00

Well, okay, I had an idea of how Castro came to power because of my father and what he told me, how it happened.

unknown 15:11

Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

This is this is and this is as you grew up, young girl, teenager, young adult. Right, right. We're you're we're not you're not telling me what what you claim to have known when you were three years old. This is all stories from and remember my mother is still alive, she's 98 years old, and she's beautiful, yes, and she's clear-minded, she drives, and but dad's and by the by the way, as I when when I edit this, I can boom put up a picture of anything I want and anything you want. So just if I have your permission to show a picture of your beautiful mother, I'll put her on here. I will.

SPEAKER_02 15:47

I'll I'll send you pictures of Cuba too.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

Ah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:51

That'll be nice. I I feel that you know, um what were where was oh the thing with Cuba was that dad told me a couple of in things that happened that it became Fidel in power. The one thing he told me was after Fidel and the the delinquents that followed him and that did what they did that you know murdered people and they did all kinds of horrible.

SPEAKER_00 16:23

Is that what your father is that what your father called his band of followers, the delinquents?

SPEAKER_02 16:27

Delinquents. They were all delinquents, they were bearded, they all had beards, they lived up in the Sierra Maestra, and they were smelly and gross, and they tortured people. Um they they were they were horrible. They would go into someone's farm, Bruce, just to give you an idea, and they would rape the daughters, uh, they would take their food, they would make them feed them, they would make them do stuff for them. I had a girlfriend that I worked with that her, they lived out like I guess near that area where these men were, and her mother couldn't take it anymore. And her mother threw um, I guess it was like um turpentine or something on herself, and she lit a lot, she lit a match, and she did this in front of her children. That's how desperate she was that she didn't want to be raped by these men anymore or treated as a slave. They were horrible. All of the men that followed with Fidel were abusers, were delinquents, that's what they were, and then they wore rosary around their neck because they wanted to pretend that they were Christians, and noble, right. And noble, right, and they wanted to to show that oh, we we we pray to God, we we wear a rosary, and the that's the furthest thing that they were, the furthest, furthest thing. And Fidel went to Jesuit school, just a little bit of a background. Pope Francis was a Jesuit when Pope Francis became Pope. I said, I was so excited. I said, Oh my god, a Pope from the Americas, because I mean we had never had a Pope from the Americas, of course it was South America, but it was America, and mommy goes, he's a Jesuit. You know what that is? I said, No, what is it? It's a communist. All Jesuits are communists, and I was like, Oh my god, well, lo and behold, there was Pope Francis. Couldn't be further away from Pope John Paul, couldn't be less spiritual. You know, he was he was a Jesuit.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

Where was the where was the Jesuit school that Castro went to? Uh, I don't know, but I know he spent I know he spent some time in the United States. I think he was a baseball player when he was a young man, things like that.

SPEAKER_02 19:00

He did spend some time in the United States. Daddy knew him. Daddy knew him. Um how?

SPEAKER_00 19:06

When? How?

SPEAKER_02 19:09

They met. They knew each other. Daddy always said he was a maton. Maton means a murderer. A murderer.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

And he knew him how many years before he ever became known as the revolutionary in the mountains?

SPEAKER_02 19:23

Maybe five, six years before then. He came into power in 1953. That's when he killed all the men that were sleeping in the bunkers.

SPEAKER_00 19:32

Yeah, the July 26th moment or movement or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

Exactly. That was it.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

Right.

SPEAKER_02 19:38

And then so he knew him prior to that.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_02 19:41

Prior to that.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 19:43

I don't know how.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

And he just knew he was a murderer. Right.

SPEAKER_02 19:46

But he always said he was a maton. And that that's a murderer. That's somebody that just kills people just for the hell of it, for fun, like a sport. And um after that, Daddy explained to me a scene that happened. Two or three scenes that I recall, the one where the Batista had Fidel in, you know, he had him under custody after he killed the military people. Daddy was in front of Batista when this took place. This gentleman, Diaz Balar, he sent this man to approach Batista and ask him for a favor from a friend, to a friend to please release his son-in-law. Because it just so happens his daughter married Fidel. A friend asking a friend for a favor. Batista then, his words, as Daddy said them, was I am a friend to my friends, I will release your son-in-law. Let him know that this one time I will do him this favor. Hence, the history of Cuba was ruined after that generous action.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

Because he could have kept him in prison from 1953 or 1954.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

He could have killed him. He could have killed him. He could have, that's it, given him uh, you know, firing squad, whatever they did at that time, because of what he did.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

How how corrupt or cruel to Cubans was Batista?

SPEAKER_02 21:23

Well, it's it has been said that he was. However, after I read a book that I never knew about it, but mommy had told me about this woman that was a madam, a prostitute, and she left Cuba in 1965 and she wrote a book.

SPEAKER_00 21:47

Yeah, you sent that that's the one you sent me.

SPEAKER_02 21:49

Yeah, Cuban Madam. And she in there described how there was a uh American journalist visiting Cuba. And how they said to her, the guy that was calling the shots, his name was Blas Rocchi. And when the minute I used that name to mommy, I said, Mommy, did you ever hear of Blas Rocki? So my God, yes, he was super, super communist journalist. That's all he knew how to do was write all towards favorable towards the communists.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

You're saying you're saying Moni or Mommy?

SPEAKER_02 22:29

Mommy, mommy.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

Thank you. Well that now okay. And so she's saying that the source of bad accusations against Batista was from a communist propagandist.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

Yes, he was the one, he was a journalist. He was the one that said, if you say it and if you print it, people will believe it.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

How free and prosperous was Cuba under Batista?

SPEAKER_02 23:00

Oh wow. Well, we in Cuba, it was said that they sold more Cadillacs than they did in New York. Um, they had it was flourishing. It was flourishing.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Was there something of a middle class? Was there general prosperity?

SPEAKER_02 23:18

They were middle class. We were middle class.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

Oh, okay. And what but was was that a large segment of the population?

SPEAKER_02 23:25

Large, large.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

So the whole do you so you're feeling your impression, your knowledge is that the whole country had uh the opportunity to prosper, advance itself generally, right? Wow.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

Exactly. Mom and dad traveled to New York, we were middle class.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

And how much was in poverty or the working poor? What percentage, maybe, guess?

SPEAKER_02 23:49

Poverty in Cuba was, for example, people had too many kids, they didn't have a lot to offer them, and the kids had to help the parents in the farm and work the farm. They they didn't know, they didn't know poverty the way they know it now.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

What impression did you get from your from your parents and uh other elders as they reminisced about or taught you what Cuba was like? Was there was it did they ever feel that it was dangerous? Did you get an impression of what was crime like? Anything like that?

SPEAKER_02 24:23

No, not at all. Remember, I grew up in Hylia. All of my girlfriends, all of my girlfriends were in the same situation as I was, and they were with their parents in the same situation. However, when I would visit their house, they had pictures of their homes. Uh, in front of that home was a beautiful Mercedes-Benz, little tiny, like a 50-something Mercedes Benz. And I would say, Wow, Patty, you were you guys were rich. And she was, yeah, oh yeah, we were rich. We were super rich. And here they had to learn a new trade. Her father had to learn something different. It became, you had to survive. We have not messaged the message of Cuba very well. The Cuban exiled community have not messaged very well.

SPEAKER_00 25:21

What message should they be getting out? What should you be getting out of?

SPEAKER_02 25:25

We have not messaged uh the the tragedy that happened, the families that that broke everything, the the way that things happened. When once communists took over, they invaded private properties, they invaded private homes, they invaded companies. Uh my father's business was invaded by someone that he considered a friend. But since my father wasn't read enough for the communist, he did not believe in that, he invaded him. And they called that they intervened in that business. They intervened in people's um, you know, plumbing business and their factory. My next door neighbor owned a shoe factory. They intervened there, they took everything from him. And then what did they do with that factory? Nothing. They destroyed it. They did nothing. The wealth that people had, they uh they destroyed it. All the factories were destroyed, all the businesses were destroyed. Um nothing, nothing was able to continue. Money was not able to continue. The currency in Cuba is made up monopoly money. The United States has always, always sent food, chicken. They've always made sure that Cuba had chicken to eat. They've always taken care of them, even though they had that embargo back in the day, I forgot the name of it, whatever it was, they still sent food. Cubans in Miami can still send food, boxes, they can send uh motorcycles, they can send uh generators, they they can people can do that because they can't, they don't have anything. They destroyed everything every decade. Uh the people that knew what Cuba was like, are there less and less of them out there to tell the young people hey, we we used to have grapes here, we used to have peaches, we used to have apples, they don't have that.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

They don't have they don't have jobs, they don't have good education, they don't have factories, they don't have economic opportunity.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

Nothing, nothing, nothing. There's no reason to study, there's no reason to work because the doctor makes $20 a month, and he cannot survive on that.

SPEAKER_00 27:54

So then how is there not mass starvation? Is there a police presence on every street to prevent uprisings? What's how does it what's day-to-day life there like?

SPEAKER_02 28:04

There is a house on each block that monitors the ins and outs of their neighbors. There are tattletailers, basically. And these tattletalers, uh, some of them are on the take. For example, if you're bringing sugar from somebody that gave you sugar, you got to give some to the tattletaler. So the tattletaler shut up and not tell on you. Or if you're bringing a TV, you got to tell them, hey, you can come and watch TV here with me. Or you've got to befriend that tattletaler. You've got to be their buddy because that's that is the person that works for the government. And supposedly they think that they're on the, you know, they're favorable, they're favored. But what do they have? They have these Canadians that come to visit, the Spaniards that come to visit because they're looking for a cheap vacation.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

And then the Cubans put on a show. It's like a dancing monkey. They sing, they dance, they have beautiful women at the nightclubs dancing with the young men, and then they go and spoil it all and they tell them, Hey, you want me to come, you know, spend the night with you and give me a panty, give me a bra, give me. And then the guy just like, oh wow, this is so sad. This is a prostitute. And he thought he had just picked up a real pretty girl at the bar. But that's the reality of Cuba. Women prostitute themselves, men prostitute themselves, young girls prostitute themselves. Old women can't do it anymore, but they probably did.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

It's decadent, it's sad, it's awful. It's hell on earth.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

Yes, it's awful.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

Now, flesh out the beginning, middle, and end of America's response, the good, the bad, and the ugly, and your impression and knowledge of well, how did how has America dealt with Cuba in different gotta be in different phases for the last 70 something, you know, almost 70 years now?

SPEAKER_02 30:07

So, Reagan, what did Reagan do? Reagan brought down the wall in in Germany, right? Chidino, Willie Chidino brought out a song, you know, it's coming, it's coming. Pope John Paul went there and he had this beautiful chant, no tenga meal, no tenga meal, don't be afraid. What happened? Zero, nothing. Then along comes what baby bush and big bush, nothing happened there either. Then along comes Obama. Obama took away the wetfoot dry foot. Wetfoot dry foot was really uh, you know, uh an amazing thing because if they made it to land, the Cubans, because of what they were oppressed and gone through, the United States would award them um citizen, not citizenship, but but they would be able to stay in this country until they got their paperwork in order.

SPEAKER_00 31:06

And that was the that was the situation.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

That was a situation from Kennedy put the wet foot dry foot. Kennedy did it. You come to this country, even if they picked you up on the ocean in a in a raft, you were, you would ask for asylum, you would get it. And the bad part was the ones that landed in the Bahamas. Those people got sent back to Cuba because the Bahamas didn't care about that. The Bahamas were buddy buddies with the communists. But if you came to Florida, you were here, and you were uh, you know, an immigrant from that moment, legal immigrant. But then Obama took away the wetfoot, dry foot. And I remember being on a cruise, we saw these people. It broke your heart to see the devastation, the desperation, old people, young people, babies on a raft, rickety-rackety. And the cruise, the Royal Caribbean picked them up and brought them in and took care of them, gave them water, but sent them right back to Cuba because of Obama's law. And then this Biden, now he opened the gates, right, when he was here. And then everybody came through. Everybody. I have a cousin that came. I she came with her with her son. Thank God. She's hardworking. She works at a Chick-fil-A, she's been working there now for four or five years. Her son got his his uh high school diploma. He's getting now a mechanics diploma. So he's progressing. He's one of those people, this family now, that is getting out there and doing wonderful. They're flourishing in the United States. But now, President Trump is the only person, let me just get out there and say it, that has ever really spoken about Cuba. Nobody cares about Cuba. Nobody has cared about Cuba. All the Cubans have always voted Republican, thinking this isn't our guy. He's gonna do something. Cuba number one maybe wasn't ready at that time, too. Who knows? Who knows? Now, I think it's he has cut off the umbilical cord of Venezuela, and because of that, Cuba is now on their deathbed. And if they don't kill the hierarchies there, they can't leave them. If they leave them, nobody is gonna ever be able to get ahead in life there ever again.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

How would you rate the United States in terms of trying to build any kind of relationship with Cuba that could influence and improve the quality of life there?

SPEAKER_02 33:56

Relationship? I would never want a relationship with Cuba. I would never want the United States to build a relationship with Cuba. Uh, you remember Clinton? You remember what he did to that kid? That they put an oozi in his face while he was in the closet of his uh aunt and uncle in Little Havana on a Good Friday? And then they brought his two grandmothers, this so-called Christian organization, because Clinton was buddy buddies with Cuba. And they brought the kid back. Now the kid lives in Mexico, he wants nothing to do with Cuba. The only reason that they sent Ilean Gonzalez back to Cuba and Clinton got involved with Janet Reno and all those people, the only reason they did that was because there was a poster in Seattle. They had a human rights poster where they had the little boy surrounded by dolphins in the middle of the ocean. Because that's how they found him, these fishermen here in Miami. They found him surrounded by dolphins, and his mother was dead. And then they put the human Cubas uh violating human rights. Well, Fidel wouldn't have that because he was alive when that happened. And he said, that's it. He he and Clinton made a little bond. We want the kid back, the father wants him back. We're gonna send the grandmothers. The grandmothers went on the Oprah show, they went on Good Morning America. They did all these shows. Two two stupid Cuban old ladies that had never gone anywhere in their entire life suddenly were dressed to the nines, sitting on all these talk shows, saying how much they love their grandson.

SPEAKER_00 35:49

Kind of singing a prop. You're implying they were singing a song of propaganda on behalf of Castro's government.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

They were totally, totally puppets. Totally puppets.

SPEAKER_00 36:00

What do you say to me, who has the has the impression that it has served the agenda of the perpetual uh corporate and banking profiteers and also geostrategic uh positions, to have isolated Cuba for almost 70 years and have done nothing to try to create a relationship with them that would result in the Cuban government lifting its boot off of their faces and letting them have more freedom, more democracy, and more economic opportunity.

SPEAKER_02 36:39

It uh it won't work. There's no way. So it's it's there was no way any administration No, it would never work because, first of all, it would be the most disrespectful thing that any US president could do. Because let's not forget all of the Cuban people that left everything behind to come to this country because of the Cuban government. And if the United States negotiates with those crooks, those thieves, those murderers, then where does it leave us?

SPEAKER_00 37:18

But if they if they would negotiate if if any administration, and John F. Kennedy was doing this before he died, would be in dialogue with the communist government, knowing that one of its outcomes would be influencing the Cuban government to give more freedom, more economic opportunity, and to improve the their lot, improve their lives.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

You can't change them. The communists have an agenda, Bruce, and their agenda, all they teach is they hate the United States. They hate them. They have billboards all over Havana saying how much they hate them. And then Obama puts the embassy, puts people there. What do they do? They come out of there, they can't hear. They can't hear themselves sneeze because they've got these things that they've been killing their hearing with some noise or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Yeah, the Havana syndrome. I read about that.

SPEAKER_02 38:20

These people are are they can't be trusted.

SPEAKER_00 38:24

It's very consistent with how you portrayed earlier the communist regime. It's it's it's like a mafia regime. It's a it's it's a horrible despotic.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

When I was in Jersey, it was very cute because you're talking two weeks ago when we were together. Yeah, yeah. And they would say, You're Cuban? Oh my god, what do you think is gonna happen? And I'll be honest with you, I don't know what's gonna happen, but I know we're closer now than we've ever been to something happening. I think the fact that they don't get their oil from Maduro anymore is right, and I think that maybe the temperature is right right now for the United States to do what they have to do militarily, whatever. Because the only way that change is gonna come to Cuba is by force. Literally go in like they did to uh Noriega, took him out in the middle of the night in underwear. That's the guy you gotta do it.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

Thank you. Thank you. For the record, tell me I have a very, very strong opinion uh of the rightness of a of a good administration, my model being that of John F. Kennedy, right with countries to uh create dialogue and relationships to the end of improving the quality of life for all. That's not a surprise to you. I've implied it this whole conversation, and I've got huge qualms with us uh uh claiming to solve anything by a military intervention, by instigating a war, by instigating violence. Those are big no-nos for I I get it, but the only way that you can get rid of evil is by eliminating it.

SPEAKER_02 40:26

It's the only way you don't get rid of evil by sweet talking, because evil is evil, and I just feel that that is the only way, and I think yes, diplomacy is wonderful, but 70 years diplomacy? No.

SPEAKER_00 40:47

Well, I think it's been I think we've had little if any, little if any diplomacy since Kennedy was killed in '63. And to the to the macro metaphysics that we've uh walked into cheerfully, uh the only way to deal with evil, you say, is to destroy it.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

That's it.

SPEAKER_00 41:06

And um, you know, I enjoy thinking, and and and as do many others, that love conquers all.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

Oh, yes. And I believe it's if you love that person, it conquers it. If that person doesn't love you back, it doesn't conquer it. Love is a two-way street, my love. And that's the only way that love can conquer it. Because you have I have to love you, and you have to love me. Because if you hate me, which Cuba has been told to hate America, to hate it, to despise it. So that's evil. You're never gonna change that. Never, never, never, never, never, never. Me, because just because you want to, just with love, it's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

Well, thank you. And thank you for your and thank you for just being you and how much you have loved me and my brother and sister and my parents, your whole life, my whole life.

SPEAKER_02 42:14

You know, I have. And the whole thing with President Kennedy, the way that he was assassinated, those people came from Cuba. The the assassination attempt was from Cuba, CIA, but Cuba.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

Tell me what you know about the involvement of Cubans in the assassination.

SPEAKER_02 42:37

I I just know what I've heard. Uh friend of mine, her father was CIA. He knew that it was a call from the CIA, but it was came, and the person was in Cuba. And that's who came from Cuba?

SPEAKER_00 42:54

What happened and came from Cuba?

SPEAKER_02 42:56

He was CIA. He was CIA. Her father. He was in Cuba, and she told me that the call to kill and assassinate President Kennedy came from Cuba, and the CIA knew it.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

Okay, well, I'm certain that's what she heard, and I'm certain that's what she believes. As one who's well, I've just researched it this for the last 20 years extensively, and I would bet that there uh easily could have been there's tons of evidence to indicate that Cubans were involved, maybe on one of the shooter teams and things like that. But you're saying the order to kill Kennedy came from Cuba. That's what your friend told you.

SPEAKER_01 43:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 43:42

Yeah, I I would bet the universe that that's just not true. That's well from my my research into it. So I'm glad I'm fascinated by all things Kennedy, I'll tell you. So, you know, thank you for that. Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_02 43:56

Well, we you know, I love Bobby Kennedy and I love what he's Doing and um we have so much to fix in this country, the vaccine situation with children, because all that is is money, corporate greed, and and the food, and thank God for Bobby Kennedy for what he's doing. I I'm just so happy that he's he's making a difference.

SPEAKER_00 44:26

He's doing more than anyone else in the position ever could. He's doing far less than many of us know, that he knows far more than he's been able to take any action on. And I just I just hope and pray that he finally gets to condemning, you know, the the COVID vaccines for the bioweapon I am persuaded that they are.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

Of course. But shame on those people that make fun of him, that mock him, that humiliate him for what he's doing, because if you were in my shoes and you had a grandson that was autistic, and you saw the damage that that vaccine did to him, that MMR vaccine, that Hillary Clinton agreed to put it on the market, and she said, No, uh, whoever gets damaged from it, we're going to absolve the company. And that was Monsanto, the company that made that, which I think Monsanto used to make carpeting. And she took away all of that.

SPEAKER_00 45:29

Monsanto made the vex, the MNMR vaccine.

SPEAKER_02 45:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 45:33

I haven't heard Monsanto implicated with that vaccine, but I'm here to learn, you know.

SPEAKER_02 45:38

Yeah, well, that was a long time ago. He's 14 years old, and they took away the right to sue the drug company that made the vaccine.

SPEAKER_00 45:50

Well, there's a globe, there's a there's a wide liability protection since 1986 on all vaccine makers.

SPEAKER_02 45:58

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 45:59

Okay. Exactly. No, there we've got we have enormous problems and challenges.

SPEAKER_02 46:04

Enormous problems, enormous problems. And you can't mock someone for trying to help, you know, parents and children lead a normal life. And that's what he's trying to do. That's what he's trying to do.

SPEAKER_00 46:17

There are many reasons to mock him. You know, you you benefit financially, you're you're you're tied in with the systems that want to protect business as usual, or you just believe the fire hose of that kind of you know, messaging, demonizing him, because to play all sides against the middle and have us all confused about what's true, who's lying, who's telling the truth, that serves to weaken us and destabilize us and let the entrenched powers that be rule along with business as usual. Uh there. I'm getting a frog in my throat. I don't have my glass of water here.

SPEAKER_02 46:51

All right. All right. Well, go go go get your water. But you what you said right now, I want you to understand that that makes the most sense ever. This whole thing, you know, that you just said, because people can mock them because they're making money off of this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 47:11

That's it. Or they believe or they believe the demonization of him or anybody else, and they're dug in. And it and we're, you know, it's tough to make the time to look at all sides and think things through for oneself. But well, here we are, and uh, you and I could have this eternal and endless, delightful conversation. Forever and ever. I just want to thank everybody for watching and listening.