RWB 84 Monika Wiesak, Paul Fitzgerald, and Elizabeth Gould: The History and Significance of John F. Kennedy

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Monika Wiesak, Paul Fitzgerald, and Elizabeth Gould

The History and Significance of John F. Kennedy

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Monika Wiesak wrote a book about the character assassination of President John F. Kennedy and, as an antidote, his greatness, AMERICA’S LAST PRESIDENT: What the World Lost When It Lost John F. Kennedy. Follow her at www.x.com/MonikaWiesak.

Paul Fitzgerald and Elizabeth Gould studied the Fitzgerald family history and make the case that JFK's murder was, among other things, revenge against the Catholics by those who consider themselves the descendants of the Knights Templar. Paul and Liz inspired TrineDay’s monthly Roundtables, which explore JFK’s vision for peace and the need for economic justice. Learn more at www.Valediction.net/eventlist.

JFK’s assassination divides American history and might be its point, as Jesus’ crucifixion, real or mythical, divides Western history and might be its point. Both lived with love and courage, inspiring many to transcend the fear and cowardice of childhood.

Monika’s book:

Amazon.com: America's Last President: What the World Lost When It Lost John F. Kennedy: 9798986556819: Wiesak, Monika: Books

Two of Paul and Liz’s works on this topic:

The Deep Answers to JFK’s assassination are hidden in the Mystical—A Fitzgerald’s Revelation presented by Paul Fitzgerald 11/17/23

https://www.invisiblehistory.com/the-case-of-jfk-and-the-fitzgeralds-speech-delivered-nov-17-2023-at-the-jfk-assassination-60-years-later-convention/

Dr. John Dee Queen Elizabeth I Master Spy 007 and Wizard behind the JFK Assassination presented by Paul Fitzgerald 11/20/2025

YouTube, channel: Valediction Vision, December 4, 2025

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkuFuEgB-Dw

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:03

Welcome to Reality with Bruce De Torres. With me are Monica Weisack, Paul Fitzgerald, and Elizabeth Gould. Monica wrote a book about the character assassination of President John F. Kennedy and as an antidote, his greatness. Paul and Liz, husband and wife, have written many books. We're going to discuss with them the character assassination of the Fitzgerald family going back hundreds of years. Paul and Liz make the case that JFK's murder was many things, including revenge against the Catholics by those who consider themselves the descendants of the Knights Templar. Monica, uh first, how are you?

SPEAKER_00 0:52

I'm doing well. How are you, Bruce?

SPEAKER_01 0:54

I'm very excited. Paul and Liz, yourselves.

SPEAKER_00 0:57

Good.

SPEAKER_03 0:58

Very good, Bruce. Thank you. Looking forward to talking with you and Monica.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

Well, great. And just to impose some structure on this, let's let's talk first with Monica, and all of us can be like, you know, co-hosts when we're focusing on Monica. And then Monica, you and I can interrogate Paul and Liz after they give a uh background on their uh material that they're bringing to this conversation. But we definitely want to start with what you brought in your fantastic book, America's Last President, What the World Lost when it lost John F. Kennedy. Tell us this the story of how you were inspired to do that and your major goals for that book, please.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

Yeah, so growing up, I grew up in the 80s and 90s in the United States, and I heard a lot of stories about JFK. And my sort of my intuition um had a very good impression of him. Like I thought he was very thoughtful, he seemed very kind, very inspirational, you know, just a tremendous leader. But during that time period, you know, you know, the news and the gossip magazines and whatnot were always, you know, spreading all sorts of stories about him, how he wanted to kill Castro, how he was making deals with the mob, how he was really superficial and shallow, and he was, you know, just a womanizer and there was no real depth to him. And so growing up in that time period, I was a little bit confused as to like, well, who is this man? Like, is he who I my intuition tells me he is, or is he this other sort of caricature that the media has created? And obviously, I'm a kid, I don't understand anything about propaganda or what you know, what incentives there might be to spread false stories about him or anything of that nature. So I always sort of, I think this dichotomy sort of created this curiosity in the back of my mind. But again, I was a kid, so it's not like I pursued it. I didn't go and read any books or look into it in any way. Um, but as I grew up older, I sort of became disillusioned with our leadership, our political leadership. I sort of, especially when the Iraq war happened, I think that was the first time my eyes sort of opened up and were like, you know, what is going on here? Why are we, you know, put why is when I turn on the TV every day, why are they pushing so much for this war?

SPEAKER_01 3:19

And the first war in 1991?

SPEAKER_00 3:22

No, this was in 2000s. Um I was not paying attention to anything in 1991 brute.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

I'm not gonna, I have no idea, and I'm not gonna ask how old you are. Thank you. I just this little man had to clarify that.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

Um, so but yeah, in the the 2000s, I was like, oh, this sounds, you know, so it sort of started to open up my eyes a little bit. And, you know, as more and more things happened, I sort of became more and more disillusioned and just unimpressed with today's leadership. And so I went back and decided to do a deep dive into JFK. And um, you know, and as I started listening, I think one of the first things I did is actually listen to his press conferences. And as I'm listening, listening to these press conferences and I started listening to his speeches and whatnot, and I started to realize that this is not the person that I've this sort of public image has um portrayed, or you know, he's not this, he's very different from what my perception was. He matched my intuition as a child, but he didn't match the perception I had kind of developed over the years from all the press stories. And I thought he was really thoughtful, you know, really compassionate, really empathetic, highly intelligent, you know, just everything you would want in a good leader. And I was just so impressed by his leadership, by his policies, by the things he was doing, by the things he stood for. And I was so appalled at how misrepresented he had been, and so appalled at sort of all the negative stories that had swirled about him, that I wanted to set the record straight. And I wanted to sort of the subtitle of my book was What the World Lost When It Lost John F. Kennedy. And I sort of wanted people to understand, you know, the tremendous loss, not just that America, but that the world suffered when he was assassinated, because I think that is not understood at all. I think the perception is that things went on as is. And I think I wanted to show how different he was, both from the leadership that came before him and the leadership that, and particularly the leadership that came after. And that's sort of what inspired me to write the book.

SPEAKER_01 5:23

It's a tour de force. And it's also uh really, it could really be life-changing to someone caught up in the doom and gloom of the fecklessness and the haplessness and the miserable quality of leadership we've had um since him. Your book came out, I think, in 2021, am I right?

SPEAKER_00 5:46

2022.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

See. And what what uh can you tell us about the the impact that you perceive that it has had on specifically those who knew the real JFK through their own research?

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Yeah, I've gotten tons of just beautiful emails from people saying, you know, that I reminded them of who JFK was and that I brought out who they remembered, and you know, and that they really appreciate the fact that I focused on him as a leader and him as a person and not just on the assassination. Um because there were sort of two assassinations, you know, there was the physical, but then there was the character, you know, sort of the erasure of his legacy, his genuine true legacy. And so I have gotten, you know, just tons of feedback from people that I didn't expect at all. I didn't really think anyone was going to even read the book, except for my family and friends. So it was um, you know, really heartwarming to get so much, you know, heartfelt feedback from people about President Kennedy, particularly from people who remembered him. Um, that was especially heartwarming.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Paul and Liz, you uh inspired this conversation, wanted to meet Monica and talk about uh her book and what she did in resurrecting or redocumenting JFK's greatness. Any any questions, points, anything for Monica?

SPEAKER_02 7:08

Well, I would love to um you know reframe why what you did impressed us so much and caused us to have to, you know, definitely engage you. And thank you, Bruce, for putting it together because we have been struggling as people who have been delivering. And now we did our second presentation at the Dallas convention. We are trying to actually completely open up the discussion at the convention level, the research level. And there is a whole world of researchers who know nothing about what you've done, and you've done an amazing job of opening up that channel. But what we're bringing in is actually even at some levels more challenging to get into the system. It's connecting the assassination of JA, which includes the character and the murder level of it, back at least 400 years to the actual organization that that set up the inevitability that there would be someone who would be likely a Fitzgerald who was going to be in probably some high-level position like president on November 22nd, 1963, that was going to be assassinated. And that actually had been pre-planned, going back to Queen Elizabeth's uh court magician, John D. Having established the date, November 22nd, 1583, for the beheading of the last Fitzgerald Earl of Desmond, which actually ended the Desmond rule of Ireland and began the British Empire's rise. So, in order to open up the discussion, your your ability to have presented so much of the foundational information that had to do with his legacy. And I think that's what I would like to open up to you as our discussion. What we are really talking about is the legacy of the Fitzgerald family, going back to the Norman invasion of Ireland in 1169, opening up to the experience of what the Fitzgeralds did that caused them to ultimately be destroyed by the Elizabethans 400 years later.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

And and I was and I was hoping to explore uh Monica's book and work and revelations a little bit more before a thorough exploration, Liz, of everything that you just described. Um what would you ask Monica or Monica, what would you what would you add to what you've shared already as to the importance of getting the record straight about who and what JFK uh really was Monica? I please address that.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

I think it's extremely important because people focus too much on the technicalities of the assassination, which are important. I don't want to, you know, say it's not important because it is very important, but you have to first make people care. You have to make them understand why it's why it's important to get to the bottom of the assassination, why it's important to get justice for JFK and how it impacts their daily lives. You have to make them understand sort of the long-term ramifications of assassination and the fact that we are still living with the policy reversals that happened on November 22nd, 1963, and how our daily lives are impacted by those policy reversals. And that JFK was, you know, um pushing an America and the world essentially in a certain direction. And then we went in a different direction. And I think that's incredibly important to understand because I think that day is a fundamental day in human history, and I think it's had tremendous impact and will continue to have tremendous impact for many years. So he was looking for a world uh full of independent states, you know, not necessarily these superpowers. Um, his biggest issue, I think, was nuclear disarmament and nuclear non-proliferation. So he was very, very committed to that. Um, you know, he was committed to ending the Cold War, you know, sort of he wanted to sort of see a peaceful world of cooperation where you could work with things like the United Nations, so that, you know, every state, every little country would have their say on the world stage and you wouldn't have these sort of imperial wars and imperial powers. And he wanted to sort of do the same for every citizen in the United States, which is why he pushed things like civil rights and, you know, he pushed things like Medicare and all sorts of things to sort of uplift people's lives, you know, in the United States and also like in Latin America and Africa, everywhere. You know, he gave tons of foreign aid. He started the Alliance for Progress. Um, and so he sort of wanted to bring the world, I think, into a new stage of humanity and away from sort of the barbarism that humanity had lived with in the past. And, you know, and his argument is we can't really live with that barbarism anymore, not, you know, not with how far science and technology has advanced. You know, we have to sort of, you know, our political system has to advance um ahead of our sort of science is kind of how he phrased it. Like we have to advance faster than, you know, kind of these weapons of mass destruction advanced.

SPEAKER_01 12:23

Monica, I got I gotta ask you, are do you listen to his press conferences still on a regular basis?

SPEAKER_00 12:30

I do. I still listen to his speeches and press conferences, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

Okay. Um I do too, because you just paraphrased the most recent thing on my phone that I listened to. It's like my song lists. I've got seven or eight hundred tracks of his speeches, his press conference, news items, television commercials, jingles from his administration and from his uh the the the months, the month of his assassination that I listened to over and over and over for the last 12 years. So I just heard you paraphrase wherever I am, and then I take a couple of months when I get through the assassination. I'm wiped out. I relive the assassination every November, and then I say, okay, maybe this year I'm not gonna jump into the whole cycle again, and I do. And my recordings start with uh FDR's inaugural address in 1933. So I cover the 30s in World War II, then I've got the clips of Kennedy being interviewed when his book came out after Harvard, and then it's Truman, and then it's Eisenhower, and then it's Kennedy's appearances on Meet the Press and at the 1956 Democratic Convention, and then the campaign. And I I it's so just so you know uh how motivating and exciting uh his work and uh thoughts are to this individual. Um where where are we going af before this interruption?

SPEAKER_00 13:55

No, I mean I would I agree with you, Bruce. Like I still love listening to his speeches. I love listening to his press conferences, and you know, there's so much, so many of them out there. I post clips of him speaking every day on on X, um, you know, for anyone who wants to listen to that, those sorts of things. And it's I think it's just, I don't know, he was very thoughtful, very inspirational, very just, I just love the way his mind worked and the way his heart worked. And um, you know, and I wish we had leadership today. And I think it's it's such a juxtaposition of to what we have today that it's just incredible.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

Yeah, and I I think you would agree. And then, you know, Paul and Liz, I want your thoughts about all this and all you're going to talk about, that the Fitzgerald family history is I'm so convinced that if anyone would give him Kennedy uh an honest listen and look-see about what was he doing and who he was, starting with your book, okay? Um there would be that level, it could easily be the same outrage that I felt, but also hope and inspiration. It was not that long ago. And also, it's a clear blueprint to show any candidate at the local level or at Congress or if you're running for mayor, aspire to think and evaluate and do for your constituents what this man did. And there's no limit to the good you could do and also how far you might rise. But it takes educating, transforming whole populations so that there's a uh preponderance of citizens who can appreciate that and say, yes, that's the kind of candidate I want. I invite Monica, your reflection on that before I uh beg Paul and Liz to dive into that, but then definitely into the Fitzgerald family history.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

Yeah, no, what you said there is really important, Bruce, because I think JFK shows the power of the presidency. He shows the power of what an elected official can do if they're willing to do it. And I think that's extremely important to understand because I think we think of our politicians as puppets because they are largely puppets today, which is why I titled my book, America's Last President. But they don't have to be. If they want to use the power of the office, they can. Now, obviously, they risk assassination and whatnot and character and physical, like JFK suffered, but the the office holds a lot of power for those who want to use it. And JFK said that's why he wanted to run for the presidency, because not so much power as in like power hungry, but it gave a lot of ability to get stuff done. Like he was the center of action, is kind of what he called the presidency is you could actually get a lot done as president. And I think that's really important for anyone who wants to run for office to understand that it is actually a mechanism through which to get things done.

SPEAKER_01 16:50

Yeah, and my cherry on that is how much he exemplified, as I see it, the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And the last sentence of his inaugural address was uh, but here on earth, God's work must truly be our own. And he has he proved that that he walked that talk. Paul Paul and Paul and Liz, your thoughts about that or the Fitzgerald family history?

SPEAKER_02 17:18

Well, um I I think that what you are talking about, and this is for every human being on earth, we all come from a lineage, we all come from an inspirational system that gave birth to us, and we have a long history. What I think JFK can do through the work we've done is add a deeper layer of understanding of how JFK could step into this role. Where did it come from? Remember, JFK was actually born into a very wealthy family, very privileged family. How did he have such passion for the common man, for decolonization, for all these things that aren't necessarily at the level they are at and accessible as they are? I mean, I loved your story about uh Jacqueline Kennedy being kissed by the children and JFK being so angry that uh that that they that it it it showed how the children were mistreated, you know, and you know, in in third world countries, and that that we're but we're trying to bring a level of understanding, the depth from which that leadership rose and the suffering that did go on, but the willing suffering for this would have been for the Irish people. See, that's the thing, the legacy goes back to the Irish people and the evolution that took place in the Fitzgeralds when they were completely destroyed by the Elizabethans, and that's your origin connective tissue. And I do think I remember you raising a question in in one of the things I read about why November 22nd. And I will leave it at that moment because we can tell you an awful lot about November 22nd that will help you understand how deep a question you really raised.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

How was his assassination revenge against the Catholics by those who consider themselves the descendants of the Knights Templar?

SPEAKER_02 19:23

Well, the first thing that um that is one of the major uh beliefs of of a a lot of of Masons in this country goes back to the Knights Templar. And here's your first education in November 22nd. The Templars were the secret system, the knighthood, the Catholic knighthood that eventually was believed rose into becoming the Masons hundreds of years later. And they became the ones who created this country. So they're bringing the essence of the effort of the Knight Templar. The Masons today consider the justification for the assassination for JFK to go back to the suppression of the Templars, which was a papal bull that was um activated November 22nd, 1307. That's your first November 22nd date connected to this lineage. And they will bring up the eventual ex uh burning at the stake of Jacques Des Moulin, who was the last leader of the Templars seven years later as the justification for assassinating JFK as Cat as Cat as a Catholic representing the horrible Roman Catholic Church and the suppression of the Templars. So those are the kinds and those motivations still exist today. We've actually had communication from uh individuals. One in particular referred to himself as a as a heretic who totally justified the assassination. This would have been in 2016, I think. Totally justified the assassination. To this day, they're still justifying it based on the suppression of the Templars and the burning of the state.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

And the delivery of their wealth and treasure to the Knights Hospitaler, who became over the centuries the Knights of Malta.

SPEAKER_02 21:14

What you're looking at is really the motivation of the imperial world and how it uh moved through the evolution from the uh the creation of the British Empire, which was considered to have started in 1583, which was the year of the beheading of the last girl on November 22nd. And that would have been considered a would be referred to as a sacred sacrifice. The inauguration of an empire requires a blood sacrifice, which is part of the rituals that these um uh these imperialists actually still uh practiced very actively back then and still practice today, but it's not quite as over as it had been.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Well, I think people have to understand that. I mean, we're very uncomfortable right at the moment because the American empire that we've known, that we grew up in since World War II, is deteriorating rapidly. We see it everywhere. Okay. We are at war all over the all over the planet in an attempt. An aspect of our power structure is trying to hold on to what we had. Another aspect is trying to recreate that and back basically back away from worldwide diplomatic efforts or wars on a regular basis. And that's been going on for most of the last two decades, actually. I recall with the Obama administration talking about leading from behind, as opposed to getting out there and starting wars with everybody and acting as the world's policeman. So we're in a very confused kind of in-between place right now, an interregnum between one kind of society and one kind and another kind of society. What's it going to be? Now that's been debated over a long time, over long periods. Okay. So you've got to look back to the start of Western civilization as we know it. So let's look back to 1169 because it's a good time period, okay? There were uh in the at the time period, the 12th century, there was it was known as the Renaissance of the 12th century. There was an industrial revolution in the 12th century that we are never educated about. There was a renaissance of the 12th century that we were never educated about. But there were a lot of very powerful families. Today we'd call them oligarchs. Back then they were called nobility, okay? There was minor nobility and major nobility. And what happened was that you needed a lot of people in the process of doing this. The Fitzgeralds were what were known as Castellans. They were a family that migrated from southern Europe to northern Europe, took the name Fitzgerald, which means sons of Gerald, when they got to uh when they got to Wales in the 11th century, okay, in the 1000s, married into Welsh royalty, which was old British royalty, by marrying into a Welsh princess, the Princess of Wales, in uh 1092, Gerald and Nesta, Nesta being the nest of the Fitzgerald family. And so that began in the in the uh 11th century, the big origin of the family. Now they were in competition at the time with the royal family of Britain, which was as of 1066 became Norman. So I know there's this whole misconception actually about the fact that we live in an Anglo-Saxy because of the Saxon invasion of Britain back in the 700s, 800s. Okay. We actually have been living in an Anglo-Norman society since 1066 and William the Conqueror's invasion of Britain. So that creation in 1066, after 1066, in which there was a Fitzgerald who participated and was influential in deciding who was going to how the power was to be distributed back in those days, uh, that evolved over the next couple of centuries into a struggle between the barons of the royal family, of the Anglo-Norman royal family in England and his barons, uh many, many of which uh were how to how should I say it? Were these things were determined uh in the uh Magna Carta. They were laid out and they were talked about and uh enunciated, elucidated in the uh Magna Carta. So this the Fitzgerald family, the barons that they were connected to were very much connected to the evolution of the British Empire beginning in 1169. In 1170, they came over en masse to conquer Ireland and over a period of 400 years determined that they should become the one of the most powerful families of Ireland. They owned enormous amounts of land, they paid no taxes to the crown, they completely controlled 99.9% of Ireland, except for a very small patch of land around Dublin known as the Pale. Now, this was controlled essentially by the time you get to the 16th century and Queen Elizabeth and Henry VIII, you get three Norman Norman Anglo-Irish barons who are in control of it: the Dukes of Leinster, the Dukes of uh the Earls of Desmond, and the uh another uh group called the Earls of Ormond, who are all situated right next to each other in uh central and southwestern Ireland. Okay, they are the three most wealthy individuals in basically the kingdom, they don't pay any taxes. They were all uh the Ormonds or the Earls of Ormond were raised at court of Henry VIII with Queen Elizabeth. So you have this whole family struggle that's going on in this competition. And so what happens is that the Earl of Desmond, the 13th Earl of Desmond, decides that it's time for him to declare his part of Ireland an independent nation, which at the time you could do by petitioning the Pope. He petitioned the Pope for it. The Pope apparently agreed to allowing the Earl of Desmond, the 13th Earl of Desmond, uh, to become the head of his of his own nation. And so the 14th Earl of Desmond arrives in the with the birth of Queen Elizabeth, and now we have a showdown between two families over this thing called Ireland and the wealthiest barons in the in in basically in the British kingdom. Of course, it was no longer Britain at that point, it was the English kingdom. So, at any rate, so that's the setting. When we get to the 16th century, the 1500s, by the time we get to 1583 and the 14th and last Earl of Desmond, there is an enormous, there are two actually two uprisings on behalf, there were actually wars, in which the Pope intercedes and provides the just war doctrine to the Fitzgerald family because there is a genocide going on to wipe out the Fitzgerald family as competition for the rule and unite unification of the of the earliest British Empire.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

What was it? Was the Earl of Desmond of the Fitzgerald family?

unknown 28:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:47

The Earl of Desmond was a Fitzgerald and the Duke of Leinster was a Fitzgerald. The Earls of Formond were also in there as well. They're all Fitzgeralds. They're all Fitzgeralds into intermarriage. So you've got three different branches of the family fighting it out. We're up to the 16th century. Okay. So what they decide is that the Fitzgeralds have basically adopted the land of Ireland as their own. They speak the Irish language, they go by the Brian laws, the laws of uh the laws of the Irish bards.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

I'd like to say they married the land of Ireland, and the people loved them for it.

SPEAKER_03 29:22

And uh, and so as a result of that, what happens is that they are against progress. Now, a guy wrote a book many years ago.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

Who's against pro who's against progress?

SPEAKER_03 29:33

They are viewed by the English as against progress, as against against modernism, against nature, and it gets caught up with Neoplatonism, which was part of the Renaissance intellectual milieu that was going on on the continent. Okay, and so they are viewed as kind of anachronistic in that sense. They are viewed as people who are trying to hold on to medieval ideas, medieval ways of running the country, medieval ways of thinking. So that was over the first 400 years, okay? So we have 400 years from that time period, 1583, the last Earl of Desmond was defeated in battle, the Irish people were humiliated and crushed, quite literally, and subjected to a genocide, and slavery. The first slaves that were brought to the United States were the descendants of Gerald, the last Earl of Windsor. And they they were brought over here, they were colonized, they were brought to the Caribbean countries by English landlords and by English businessmen, and uh and set up there in various parts of the southern part of the United States.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

And this, by the way, would be a history that JFK would have been familiar with because he was very close to his grandfather, as we all know. And his grandfather, Honey Fitz, was a phenomenal historian of the Irish history and kept him fully abreast of these things.

SPEAKER_03 31:02

So one of the things that you don't get in the history books, and this is something that Doris Kearns Goodwin used to talk quite a bit about. Uh, she used to talk, she wrote a book called The Fitzgerald's and the Kennedys. And so uh back 30 years ago. And basically, what you've got is you have this antagonism going on between the Irish Catholics who came here in the 17th, 18th, and 19th century, and of course the English settlers, who were also disputed with the the the royals, okay? They're known here as the local the Brahmins, all right, the Boston Brahmins. Well, the Boston Brahmins and the Irish who came from the Desmond branch of the Fitzgerald family did not get along very well together. And one of the examples of that was the fact that you know there's this sense of guilt that permeated the the Brahmins into the 20th century because of their participation in the slave trade. Okay, well, one of the things they never apologize, they apologized to the black slaves that were taken from Africa to help create the industries that were here in the United States. They never apologized to the Irish or the Fitzgerald family for what they did. So there were constant, she pointed out, Doris Kearns Goodwin pointed out at one point that JFK's uh grandfather, honey FitzFitzgerald, used to be very fond of Jack, and he used to bring him stuff, he used to bring him clothes and foods uh uh when he was at Harvard. And he apparently ran into Henry Cabot Lodge one day, crossing the crossing the yard, as it were. And so Henry Cabot Lodge looked at him, he says, Oh, you've brought your burglary tools, I see, to deliver to your to your grandson. And he responded by saying, the only difference between you and me, Henry, is a few boats. That's it. So the fact is that they had an old antagonism that went back to the old country, it went back 400 years, they brought it over here, and that antagonism got into the political system in a big way. Henry Cabot Lodge and JFK went up against each other politically, and as did uh Honey Fitz, Lodge Jr.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

and JF Kennedy.

SPEAKER_03 33:12

Right. Family view. Right.

SPEAKER_02 33:15

Carried on. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

How did President Kennedy get positioned as this sacrificial lamb, if that's what he was, in these plots and machinations?

SPEAKER_02 33:25

Well, it I think this is the point about the legacy part that I think we're trying to help people understand by being able to go back into this actual Fitzgerald legacy history that really sets up what happened in much greater detail. Uh, the experience between the, it wasn't just the Elizabethans, this was going on from Henry II on, the infighting between the royals, the English royals, and well, basically London and whatever the Fitzgeralds were doing. And long before they actually really controlled Ireland, there was antagonism. But part of it too is because they were a competing uh royal family line, since they were tutors, and that's what Queen Elizabeth was. She was a tutor. In fact, there were uh talk about the last Fitzgerald Earl of Desmond being a possible suitor for her to marry her. So instead of marrying him, she beheaded him. So these are the kinds of things that I think you begin to realize. This is very high-level uh politics of that era. And so, what happened though? This is the way that we have interpreted, what happened to the Fitzgeralds when they ultimately decided to die for the Irish people, fighting for the Irish people. And the mythology and all the history that happened in that time period was just an endless rising of the love and devotion the Irish people were developing towards the Fitzgerald family being their leaders. And and part of the mythology that JFK was raised in was that mythology about rising again at the end of time to save the Irish people. And we've taken that mythology and we've decided, well, I think he was doing that for the American people. I mean, there are enough Irish people in this country to qualify practically. And but, you know, we know he was really doing it for the world. But the idea that he was carrying that genuine mission that the uh that the Fitzgeralds died with in defense of the Irish people, as opposed to basically just becoming another royal competitor. And the death, that's why it was a genocide. That's the reason they they they became uh they committed royal treason. I think that may be a better way to describe it.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

When you Fitzgeralds did in the eyes of the Brut English royal family, and hence the genocide definitely in the in the 1800s with the famine and all that.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

And when you go, when you defend the people over your elites, if especially if you're welcomed in that crowd, you are a traitor, and you're you are dangerous because you know too much, you know, all that kind of stuff. So this is the kind of legacy that the Fitzgeralds rose over 400 years. Remember the 16th century, another 400 years before the independence of Ireland. But in all that time, there was a natural evolution of the rise of the Fitzgeralds and the power that that family inspired and kept going and continues to this day. They call the Fitzgeralds more Irish than the Irish. And there's practically no, I mean, if you do a DNA test on the Fitzgerald side, it's practically not Irish at all. So it gives you an idea of being more Irish than the Irish.

SPEAKER_03 36:54

JFK actually, uh when he went to Italy in 1961, was it, I believe. Uh, he actually gave a speech in which he said that he was going to have to admit at some point that the family really was Italian.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

63, I believe. If I could ask us to ask you to narrow the the teaching for this segment, which might be the last teaching segment before any you know questions and answers among all of us as as equals. Um how who and how did President Kennedy get positioned as a sacrificial lamb?

SPEAKER_02 37:32

Well, I think I I the way I describe it, okay, one of the reasons we're referring to him as the Fitzgerald who rose to the occasion. It required someone doing it. It turned out to be JFK, but I don't think back 400 years ago when they were when John Dee was actually establishing the date in the future and the location. It was already known it was going to be in a place that would eventually be called Dallas, and it was going to be November 22nd, 1963. So this is the point about because he was able through astronomy and astrology to project into the future. And this is all part of what had already been established, and all the things that the Elizabethans were doing, and every generation of royals for the next 400 years was were actually setting up to establish what we know became the United States.

SPEAKER_01 38:29

Question In the 1500s, this John D. advisor to the Queen, astrologer, mystic, etc., knew not only the date, but also the name of the location as Dallas.

SPEAKER_02 38:44

No, I'm not saying he knew that. No, no, it's a geomancy thing. He knew the location, but they ended up building Dallas there. That became the uh the name of the location.

SPEAKER_01 38:55

He knew the location in the New World.

SPEAKER_02 38:57

Yes, in the New World, yes.

SPEAKER_01 38:59

In that in that part of the continent.

SPEAKER_02 39:01

Yeah. It was an exact location because there was an astronaut astrological event that was going to take that actually took place at the time of the assassination. Both presentations will give people a fundamental historical basis on which all of this has been uh the thesis was formed and then laid out.

SPEAKER_01 39:23

At invisiblehistory.com, the title of that piece is The Deep Answers to JFK's assassination are hidden in the mystical uh Fitzgerald's Revelation. Paul is a member of this uh Fitzgerald's family, the same Fitzgerald family that that John F. Kennedy's Fitzgeralds were. And that website is invisiblehistory.com. And then in the show notes is the whole URL with the with where to find that. And then on YouTube there's a video called Dr. John D. Queen Elizabeth I'm Master Spy 007, that was his moniker, and Wizard Behind the JFK assassination. That's a video on the YouTube channel Valediction Vision. It was posted December 4th, 2025. The link will be in the show notes. Time requires me to invite, and I'm eager, please. Monica, your thoughts about all this that just washed over you.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

Um well, I guess I'll process with I don't know anything about Irish history other than what Jane of Kwo would mention. But I will say that he was very um inspired by his Irish history. I know it meant a lot to him. You know, he was very close to his grandfather. He did talk about the struggle of the Irish often. So there's no doubt that he was inspired by this horizontal history. And, you know, and he always spoke of, you know, the Irish feminine and how Berlin was colonized for many years, and you know, and how the Irish are, you know, sort of now free and you know how they want to help other countries become free across the globe. And so they would definitely talk about those things in terms of discussination. I would have to disagree there. I mean, I think there's good evidence that there were multiple assassination attempts in multiple cities on multiple dates during that time period. So I think he was killed over, you know, specific policies that were relevant during that 1963 time period. But I do think definitely it's interesting to learn about Irish history. And I and I know JFK loved learning about Irish history, so that part is is very interesting.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

Well, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

I don't I don't see it as either or. Um, you know, he he was killed for the the tangible modern reasons that you found in your research and that you know that that are compelling, but uh also the uh the evidence and research that Paul and Liz have brought to bear for a number of years now is true, truly fascinating. Paul and Liz, your thoughts?

SPEAKER_02 41:57

Yeah, well, I would actually want to say, first of all, don't underestimate the likelihood that a number of assassination attempts may have been false flags. So that they don't necessarily mean that was when it was going to happen. Lots of things were set up as cover, not just the assassin possible assassinations, but all kinds of staging events were all part of the cover operation. So that was ongoing. Uh, and I and I think in terms of it beginning to understand the idea of rising to the occasion. Um, you know, the the the the this this is a very um, you know, outside of the context of the time we were in, what we're saying is all of the motivations that happened in the 20th century are all real motivations. But the motivations that undergird all those motivations are equally real. And there were layers of people who, for instance, George Bush, you'd probably be surprised to learn that George Bush and the Fitzgerald family are related, okay, through Strongbow, the man who took them all to Ireland in 1169. So, you know, when you think about George Bush rising to the occasion of becoming uh, you know, the president, and then we had uh George Bush Jr. in 2000, and of course, just before that, we had the assassin, well, the killing or the death of John Jr. Oh my goodness, does that have anything to do with any of that? Do we know? But you know, it opens up all kinds of motivational levels that coexist. I'm not excluding, we're not excluding the 20th century motivations at all. But who had the most control over creating? And again, if you look at the actual building of Dallas and the way that the uh the Dili Plaza was created, it is basically an outdoor temple to ISIS and Osiris. Okay, and this is this is research that's been done by a number of people. We're not the only ones who've gone into the esoteric. So what you have is uh motivational levels emerging. I mean, in fact, if you go into almost any any t cities, small towns across this whole country, you will see some kind of Masonic history in almost every single city and town in this country.

SPEAKER_01 44:27

And that's what you implied by calling it a temple to Osiris, et cetera. It's a Masonic, it's a Masonic temple. Monica, have have you, Monica, have you heard that about Daly Plaza before?

SPEAKER_00 44:37

I have heard vaguely. I I I tend not to, I'm very like practical-minded. I tend to look at specific policies, and Dallas almost failed. It only succeeded because Bruno finally acquiesced in the luncheon site medals. So the assassination attempt in Dallas almost failed. And I think there is evidence of potentially later assassination plots. So I'm I just don't think Dallas played that big of a role in it, in my opinion. That's just my opinion. I think I tend to like kind of focus on the concrete things. So um I think that's what we'll have to disagree. But I I do think the Irish history is fascinating, and I do think JFK was heavily influenced by it. I don't doubt that at all. Um so and um and I think also part of it is I'm I'm just not a religious person. So I don't I don't know much about Irish history, but I also don't know much about religious history, so of any religion.

SPEAKER_03 45:32

But so you must be an engineer, Monica.

SPEAKER_00 45:35

Uh Matt, I work in IT.

SPEAKER_03 45:38

You work in IT, okay. Yeah. No, we've we've had a we've had a fascinating example over our lifetimes of dealing with people who are very successful engineers, and uh they have a tendency to to emphasize the material versus the the meta, the uh the metaphysical aspect of it. And it's like you, you know, I yeah, my next door neighbor was a GE guy, and he used to ask me to help him teach him how to use a computer. So I tried to teach it, he kept erasing the operating system now because he didn't understand the idea of an operating system. So, anyway, so if I want to give you a metaphor for what we've been dealing with, because we deal in the real world as well. We I don't want you to leave this discussion with the idea that we're you know a couple of flakes who decided that you know JFK was killed by the angels or something like that. The fact is that there are aspects of reality, there are metaphysics, but there are also uh quantum physics involved in this. And that is something that these people in the 16th century were experimenting with and inside the Catholic Church, because at the time there was only the Catholic Church. And so, as a result of that, they were the people who had all of these books in the monasteries knew very well that there were other ideas and concepts, mathematical concepts outside of the material realm that they were dealing with. And so that's what uh we discovered that we there is clearly a link going on there. And we've seen that mostly, you know, the the for many, many years, for many decades, the the people like John Dee is an example, and the creation of the British Empire was considered to be, as you said, a bunch of factual things, political wars, material wars that happened. This one, somebody won this one and somebody lost that one. So therefore, the British Empire evolved over time and conquered this and conquered that and became the British Empire. Okay, well, that's one aspect of it. That's the mechanical aspect of it. But there's also the software that ran the program.

SPEAKER_02 47:47

So well, the the other point I think that you might want to consider the fact is, with all the other possibilities, the one that did happen, however it happened, was the one we're talking about. So, you know, in I'm I have no doubt that there were many possibilities, but that's the point about why did that one happen? And when you made the when you asked the question, why November 22nd? You asked yourself that question in in an interview, and we've just pointed out the amount of November 22nd is directly connected to this deep history. So again, we're not trying to over-speculate, but we do feel that at this point we're pretty confident that when you look at the depth of research that has gone into establishing it, which we haven't actually, you know, we've only touched lightly on the deeper research that's really been incorporated into the presentations, so that you can get a much deeper sense of of the of the um the level to which this actually could happen. It's not wild speculation, it really could happen.

SPEAKER_01 49:00

So this has been uh a dream come true for me, obsessed with John F. Kennedy as I have been since uh obsessed since 2013, interested since you know junior high school, high school when I first read my first books about him. Um it's it's an honor and privilege to uh be the friend of all three of you. And I really want to thank you all for all that you have put forth into your labors and uh great, great information, material, books, et cetera, about a most important figure in American and world history, John F. Kennedy. All your books and links and et cetera, will be in the show notes uh under this video. And stick around for a second after I stop the recording, but um I want to thank you all, and I want to thank everybody for watching and listening today.